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MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:48 pm
by Xavier Baron
Hello everybody,
Almost new here (I posted on the old MIMF forum in 2005 for my F5 mandolin built and you were really helpfull as I had no experience, and still don't)

i'm building a 8 strings lapsteel, top wood is flamed maple for body and headstock
The finish I want to do is a yellow/orange burst with water dyes, and2 parts automotive PU varnish as finish.

At first I wanted to dye the headstock veener in black, but it looks great and finally would like to keep it visible under the same burst as the body will:

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The inlays are these ones:(without the truss rod cover)

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How to do the inlay job in such a light wood as this maple? In ebony it's easy with black CA, but here...?

Is it a good idea to:
-Rout the inlays cavities a little deeper than the inlays thickness
-Dye inside the cavities
-Lightly glue the inlays with clear CA or epoxy
Cover the whole with clear epoxy (how to avoid small air bubbles?)
-Sand flush
-And then dye the wood?

Thank you for your help

Xavier

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 9:52 pm
by Dale Gulick
I just inlayed a black MOP sickle moon with a blue abalone lightning bolt, outlined with copper wire in unstained quilted maple. I very carefully outlined each piece with a knife, then routed to 1/32” of the line, then carefully carved up to the line. I cut everything slightly deeper than the thickness of the shell, used clear epoxy, and clamped it using wax paper and a dead-flat caul. Good results, although I must admit it is far more tedious than working with a brown or black background.

Another option is to use a laser to create the outline.

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:57 pm
by Xavier Baron
Thanks for your answer Dave

here's the finished routing job:

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Do you think it's accurate enough (I dont think so, there's a problem at the top of the "B") to try to do a natural finish, or sould I dye the wood black?

Both options are good for me

Thanks,

Xavier

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:12 pm
by Mark Swanson
No matter what you do, you'll see the fill. You didn't do that bad of a job, but it is all but impossible to get a fit good enough to work in a light colored wood like that. I think you'd be better off coloring the wood, even a little bit would help. use a fill that will take a stain, or at least take color in the same way the wood will and then it'll cover pretty good.

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:33 pm
by Dale Gulick
I agree with Mark. The problem is with the light inlay because the fill will come out darker no matter what you do.

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:10 pm
by Xavier Baron
Thank you for your advice guys

I think I'm gonna dye black inside the cavities then glue, sand and then dye the wood black.

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:02 am
by Xavier Baron
Hello,
I finally got that after a black tint:

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Xavier

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:45 pm
by Romeo Suave
What kind of laser would you use to outline and what process?

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:54 pm
by Xavier Baron
Hi Romeo,

What do you mean by "laser"? Everything was done with a dremel motortool, microchisels and a small scraper grinded in a razor blade.

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:59 pm
by Chuck Tweedy
Hate to say, but I liked it better white.

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:15 pm
by Xavier Baron
Chuck Tweedy wrote:Hate to say, but I liked it better white.
For sure, without any glue... :)

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:17 pm
by Chuck Tweedy
The white pearl looks great, but the abalone is too dark to show good contrast.
Too bad you didn't just dye half the headstock. :-)

The wood looks awesome - like black satin.

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:44 pm
by Xavier Baron
Chuck,
I dont master the dying process, I'm a new bee at it :-)

Next one will be better

Anyway I'm not so disappointed:

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Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:15 pm
by Mark Swanson
I think it looks ok, After it's shiny the abalone will pop out just fine.

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:02 pm
by Dave Stewart
I agree with Mark. I think it looks great (subtle......lizard climbing over rough ground). Actually, I thought the white background was a bit stark ... to each his own.

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:12 pm
by Chuck Tweedy
It is certainly not bad, I just liked it better white.

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:09 am
by Eric Baack
could sand it back and add a color dye for a 3d figure effect

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 12:26 am
by Xavier Baron
Eric,
There is a 3D figure effect.

Anyhow the guitar is finished (just for Christmas :D ):


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So I wont sand back anything now :-)

Happy new year everybody,

Xavier

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:41 am
by David King
Beautiful guitar Xavier. I don't know how you get any work done with such a nice view outside though.

Re: MOP/Abalone inlays in light figured maple

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:52 pm
by Dave Ross
That has got to be one of the prettiest lap steels I've seen. Great work!