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Cupped Back

Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:19 pm
by John Nephin2
Just bought a new back and when it came it has like a 1/4" cup in the middle of the board.
Should I send it back or try to straighten it? If straighten it whats the best way to do it?

thanks

Re: Cupped Back

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:31 pm
by Dale Penrose
If the cup is a result of flat sawn lumber, the bracing will fix it with no problem. If its with the grain, I'd be calling the supplier.

Re: Cupped Back

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:31 pm
by Chuck Tweedy
John, what is this a back for?? What wood is it?? Where did you get it from?? How long has it been in your shop?? What are your shop humidity conditions??

Re: Cupped Back

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:58 pm
by David King
Was it laying on top of the bench or left leaning against a concrete exterior wall?

Re: Cupped Back

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:19 pm
by John Nephin2
Back is for an OM guitar. It is quartersawn walnut.
Came cupped in the mail on Friday from A&M WoodInc.
My shop is at 40-45% humidity.

Re: Cupped Back

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:28 pm
by Randy Roberts
If it were me, I think I'd let it sit upright, or stickered, in the shop for several days so it can equalize on both faces and settle down to what it inherently wants to do before getting too excited. Who knows how it was stored, humidity where it came from, etc., before you got it. Then see if you've a problem or not. For gosh sakes don't try to "fix" anything right now.

Chuck, aren't you supposed to be on the beach gathering data on bikini trends?

Re: Cupped Back

Posted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:14 pm
by Chuck Tweedy
I'm back.

Re: Cupped Back

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:41 am
by John Nephin2
Board still hasn't flattened. Company suggested spraying the underside of the cup with some water. Tried twice but it didn't do anything.
Any other suggestions?

Re: Cupped Back

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:08 pm
by Mario Proulx
1/4" is nothing; just glue it up and once thicknessed and braced, it'll be fine.

Re: Cupped Back

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:09 pm
by David King
I would try laying a damp dish towel on each side of the thing and gently ironing the convex side it with a hot clothes iron.

Re: Cupped Back

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:31 pm
by Mark Swanson
You want the wood dry, adding any moisture is not good! It expands the surface as you might think and will induce a dome but when it dries it actually makes things even worse because the wood will try to return to its "normal" state and shrink which will further act to take away the dome.

Re: Cupped Back

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:26 pm
by David King
The trick I use with old warped bass bridges is to boil them and completely saturate them until they return to their "primal" state. Then I hang them and let them dry for a few weeks.
Ironing just speeds up that process, steam penetrates and then dries almost instantly provide you keep it hot enough.

Either this wood wants to be cupped or it doesn't. Best to find that out before you start building with it.