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Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:58 pm
by Charlie Schultz
Thanks Yuri- wow, what a great reference on strings!

Well, I've been working on some of the little bits for a while. Here are the bridges for the melody and drone strings.
Melody strings bridge
Melody strings bridge
Drone strings bridge
Drone strings bridge
And the trumpet bridge holder.
Trumpet bridge holder
Trumpet bridge holder
The main tuning pegs.
Tuning pegs
Tuning pegs
Also worked out the tailpiece. Here it is, temporarily in position. I've used viola fine tuners for the string holders.
Tailpiece
Tailpiece
Next, worked on setting up the "nut".
Fitting the "nut"
Fitting the "nut"
You can probably see that some notching is needed to give the strings some room- this isn't shown on the plan but is in one of Wilfried's photos that I posted earlier. I put in some notches with a round rasp and then glued the separator on and drilled clearance holes for the strings.
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Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:18 pm
by Charlie Schultz
Worked on the keybox a little. Here I've marked out for the two rows of keys:
Key locations marked
Key locations marked
The holes are nominally 8 mm x 6 mm. I used a 0.25" mortising bit (with the two sides taped together).
Mortised holes
Mortised holes
And then the buttons for the tangents to sit on, in place. Still need to add the buttons of course.
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Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 7:46 pm
by Bob Gramann
This is a fascinating project. Do you mind sharing how you made the buttons on the tuning pegs?

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 8:56 pm
by Charlie Schultz
The pegs were turned on a lathe from rectangular (looking at it from the end) pieces.
Peg blanks
Peg blanks
Took me a couple tries to get it right. Here I've got the tapered part to the length I want it.
Tuning peg on lathe
Tuning peg on lathe
Then pretty much shaped.
Roughed out peg
Roughed out peg
Then I just smoothed things out. It was back and forth on the lathe 5-6 times to get the taper right.

Then to put the curve in the tops, I just took them to the spindle sander (2" diameter spindle) and sanded the curve in. For the smaller pegs (e.g. on the tail piece), I used a handsaw to get the flats and then some sandpaper wrapped around a dowel.

I wrapped a piece of sandpaper around the outside of the peg (sanding surface out) to get the matching taper in the headstock.

There are probably more efficient ways to make them- like maybe cutting the flats in before turning, etc.

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Sun May 12, 2013 10:26 pm
by Bob Gramann
Thank you. I appreciate you sharing your method. I'm always on the lookout for an elegant way to make buttons.

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:29 am
by Steve Senseney
Charlie--Your pictures in the most recent post are not showing on my computer!!

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:43 am
by Charlie Schultz
Yeah, we had some maintenance done on the server yesterday and lost a few posts/pictures. They are working on restoring them- hopefully they'll be there in the next half-hour or so.

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 12:01 pm
by Steve Senseney
The pics are back. Thanks.

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:01 pm
by Charlie Schultz
Time for an update.
Here I've added the "buttons" to the ends of the keys.
Keys with "buttons"
Keys with "buttons"
And here's the keybox glued up and ready to glue to the instrument.
Keybox shell glued up and ready to glue to the rest of the instrument
Keybox shell glued up and ready to glue to the rest of the instrument
Here's the prepared tangent stock. Actually I redid this as I thought the taper was a little to shallow, but the idea was to get the shape on a long strip and then cut it into the individual tangents.
Tangent start
Tangent start
And the finished tangents (with mounting holes). The tangents for the bottom keys are about 7/8" high, the top keys, about 1/2" high.
Tangents
Tangents
Obviously not period construction here <g>
Bottom row of keys
Bottom row of keys
And with both sets.
Top row added
Top row added

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:25 pm
by Jason Rodgers
So cool! After depressing a key, how does it retract?

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:30 pm
by Simon Magennis
Hurdy-gurdys are usually played hanging from a strap around your neck so that the keys point downwards. So gravity (probably with a little help from the kick-back from the string tension) does the job.

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:17 am
by Charlie Schultz
Yes, what Simon said. Although I read somewhere about people using springs to return the keys. I plan to add a little strip of felt inside the keybox so the tangents don't clunk against the side.

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:26 am
by Charlie Schultz
Time for another update...

Here's most of the bits (cover holder, bridges) in place on the top.
Various bits in place
Various bits in place
Holes for the drone strings (similar hole for the trumpet on the other side).
Holes for the drone strings
Holes for the drone strings
At this point I had to string it up!
Testing!
Testing!
The vibrating strings have a surprisingly (to me) large arc! And I have to say it sounds a bit like a sick cow <g>.

There seem to be a couple common tunings- here's the one I'm starting with (C/G).
Tuning
Tuning
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And the (not cheap) strings:
Chanters/melody 1 & 2: Savarez BRH 94 (gut, 0.94 mm diameter)
Trumpet: Savarez BRH 97 (gut, 0.97 mm diameter)
Small/hi drone: Savarez BFA 422 (wound on gut, 1.23 mm diameter)
Large/lo drone: Savarez BFA 1002 (wound on gut, 1.79 mm diameter)

Still lots of work to do: a few more small pieces to be made and added, (carve? and) attach keybox cover, then of course clean up/sanding/finishing. I don't know how, but I completely missed putting in the sound hole on the top (the plan shows it on the left edge).

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:21 am
by Randy Cordle
When I was playing around with HG one of the hardest things to find was the raw cotton for cottening the strings. I missed it if you touched on cotton. Any problems in cottoning the strings or rosining the wheel? All the setup info I remember from the past stated the importance of that for not quickly wearing out the (yes, expensive!) strings.

Thanks for the fun topic and posts, Charlie!

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:36 am
by Chuck Tweedy
Wow, what a project!
Nice job Charlie.

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 8:37 am
by Charlie Schultz
Thanks Chuck and Randy.

I just used a cotton ball to cotton the drones (since I only have the strings on to test it out). I saw that "long strand" cotton was recommended (same as raw?). And I wondered if wool would work too?
As far as the rosin, I have a bar of hard rosin which I rubbed on the wheel (not sure if I'm getting enough on or not).
The other thing I'm a little unclear on is how much "break angle" there should be between the wheel and the bridges.

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:06 pm
by Yuri Terenyi
As to the "break angle", there shouldn't be any. A very experienced professional maker/player (unlike me) I talked to said when he is about to cotton up the strings, they are floating above the wheel , but so closely that you can just squeeze a sheet of cigarette paper in between, but nothing more than that. It's the cotton that makes the contact. Talking about that, there shouldn't be any angle between any of the strings and the wheel surface. (meaning parallel, all strings to the wheel surface.)

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:21 am
by Charlie Schultz
Thanks Yuri!

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:44 pm
by Charlie Schultz
I managed to add the soundhole (per the plan)- it's not much to look at but the top of the instrument is pretty busy.
Soundhole
Soundhole
Next I made the string catches for the drones and trumpet.
Bridges
Bridges
And here they are in use:
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The only other piece to add is the capo for the trumpet string and it looks kind of involved (a couple gears), I might just skip it...

And started carving the keychest top- this is going to be simple, just some flowers and hearts.
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I've also started sanding and cleaning up the rest of the instrument for the finish.

Re: Building a hurdy-gurdy

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:23 pm
by Patrick Hanna
Hey, Charlie,
To my eye, this looks like one of the most ambitious building projects I've seen on this or any other forum in a very long time. I've seen hurdy gurdies, but, frankly, I don't know what makes them work. No matter. You're going to show me what makes them work. Press on, my man. Straight ahead, and keep us all posted. I suspect there are lots more people watching this thread than have actually posted thus far. I, for one, want to see your continuing progress.
Patrick